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</html>";s:4:"text";s:12608:"I have about five years of experience. This is typical european business culture. Salaries have been rising though, and London salaries are twice or more than much of Europe. It's actually possible for me, a not-especially-good junior/mid developer to consider living alone with a <40 minute commute in London; that seemed to be a no go for guys making far more than me in SF. Why hire a 54 year old currently on £24k and winding down for retirement when you can get a graduate who will work hard so they can be on £80k+ by 54. I think they are equivalent (or even favorable to UK) after you discount the cost of health care, education, paid vacation days, etc. Talking to people from around the US, it's just generally cheaper in other places in the US. Gas is cheaper, insurance, (non-SF)rent etc. Low £41,085. New jobs added in the last day. Averages are also dragged up quite a bit by places that pay absurd salaries, particularly in the software market--but many of those salaries lose a bit of their luster when you look at the cost of living you have to deal with to get them. Which understandably sucks and pushes masses to not enter any engineering fields. Currently, the most lucrative engineering jobs are in the oil and gas industry, and the energy sector. High £63,718. The cost of living is lower in the US as well as taxes. I was curious about this since it seems unlikely SF can be so much more expensive than London. Now there is very little electronic engineering work in the UK, and most of what remains is not exactly leading edge, salaries have adjusted accordingly. 0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic. 0 Low. Is that because of labor regulations there? According to data, the average salary is about £42k. 100% of 0 is still 0, so to speak. Wanting a large high quality apartment in zone 1 of London is a trio of luxuries that most people will happily compromise on, and they have the ability to do so without it being a big issue. Anecdotally, and when compared to America, it could be due to a combination of many factors including: It's not STEM supply pushing down the salaries. Same is true in the pharmaceutical industry. SF is a place to go and pile up money with a get out plan in mind. High £81,209. UK companies do not produce as much value, hence they are not able to pay as much as FANG. It's more like CA/NY vs rest of world in terms of salaries. The UK has a higher cost of living, with London pretty much equal to NY or SF and other high cost cities. In addition to higher income taxes Europe has a VAT (value added tax rather than sales tax and it's like 20%). The Western birth rate is falling due to poor decisions by government to encourage family values. And Amazon has spent years being break even or making losses (albeit for good reasons). The Average Software Engineer salary in the UK is £49,181. It’s the one I come to as well viewing things from the outside. Probably the biggest is that the UK doesn't have the number of large tech companies in one place needed to push up wages. What are you bitching about? How can it be that interested students pay so much, but many academic salaries are so low (excluding the obvious full professor in a field where the industry pays for Stack Exchange Network Stack Exchange network consists of 176 Q&A communities including Stack Overflow , the largest, most trusted online community for developers to learn, share their knowledge, and build their careers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That's not my experience of both places, and I've not found any data that supports London being as expensive as SF including. Low £41,085. (From personal experience food was noticeably costlier in the UK (gas too).) I haven't lived in London for long, but I found I had much more disposable income in SF, even compared to living in a non-London uk city. Most companies I know much rather have permies than contractors. Aren't the high US salaries themselves extremely location-specific? The average UK salary was £25k, the average graduate starting salary is more like £19k. Thanks for the input! Because outside of financial services, there aren't that many highly profitable companies, Google or Facebook profitability levels are not common in Europe. This makes me think the question is better phrased the other way around. As a contractor, it's also easier to get exposure to different tech, rather than be stuck doing the same thing day in and out. Times are changing, though, more and more engineers start their own company. The salary in engineering is not low but the effort for reward is highly unbalanced. Salaries in the US also vary quite widely between regions and between specific disciplines. Low £21,520. The only exception is in Banking where the salaries are much higher than the UK average (but still lower, as tech is views as second to other roles, not as the primary focus). UK is so behind in IT advancements. They had a hard time recruiting and retaining in the Valley because their 'back east' pay scales didn't cut it. Japan has fewer per capita stem graduates than the US, with a highly developed technical economy, and dramatically lower engineer salaries than the US (with a GDP per capita roughly the same as the UK). It's the high salaries that cause gentrification, not gentrification that causes high salaries. Even beyond the lack of usage of vertical space, every room I had was pretty huge, double bed, desk, room to do just about any kind of yoga I could think of and still a ton of extra on top of that. Those numbers look quite wrong, I don't think they're comparing like-for-like. 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