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</html>";s:4:"text";s:26925:"That's just what I was looking for! I have installed two walls of kerdi using hardibacker, Mapei Floor and wall tile mortar, a 1/4 x 3/16th V-notch trowel, and I can see ridges through the Kerdi all over the walls. Even the highest density tiles and grout were not intended by their manufacturers to be a waterproofing material. Find My Redi Poxy Browse Redi Poxy Models All Installation Materials Knowledge Center I was ready to build a shower stall using the Schluter/Kerdi system with their pre-sloped pan but then I saw the Tile-Redi pre-sloped shower pans. I have to replace studs and floor due to rot. Redi Base shower pans come in over 100 standard models with a variety of sizes and drain locations. Tile Redi shower pans are UL listed. I am not even thinking about a mud bed. We firmly believe anyone can install KERDI-BOARD in one day and be ready to tile the next. I do know that doing a mud bed is pretty easy and durable and a solid base for the tile and when the floor, walls and curb and niches, etc., are water-proofed with Kerdi, the shower is one that's easy to tile and should outlast the owners. Looking for ease of installation, ease of installing tile on top, and waterproofing ability. I’ve seen a lot of your videos – most of the ones I see from Home Repair Tutor are Stev using Schluter system. Does anyone know what the actual size are and what size grout line? Kerdi is hydrophobic, so it repels water even if you do have a less than perfect seam. I used Miracle 511 to seal the grout in my shower and let it dry for 3 days (per instructions). I have talked to a few guys and some say to seal the ceramic tile and grout. Nothing else is being suppered on one side (exterior wall). Looks good Robert. Will I need to add another 3/4" piece of plywood over the shower (3' x 4') if I plan on using the Schluter-Kerdi pan to keep from the tile/grout cracking? x 20 in. x 20 in. First like to say great site, loads of information. W x 20 in. Redi Trench® Shower Pans Redi Trench ® award winning shower bases are the bath industry’s most exciting marriage of design and function! Shop Redi Base Made For Tile Molded Polyurethane Shower Base 36-in W x 60-in L with Center Drain in the Shower Bases department at Lowe's.com. Could someone recommend a good sealer (big box stores if possible)? The nice part about 511 is you can add more (to a limit) as the new stuff melts the old stuff and helps the new stuff penetrate any missed spots. Features an anchoring fleece on both sides to anchor the membrane in unmodified thin-set mortar. Once the tile is installed, the floor is as stable as a mud floor. KERDI-BOARD is one the best boards on the market. Also how long does grout need to dry before putting on the sealer? Ideal for waterproofing in conjunction with tiled surfaces on walls We have little shelves on the walls and stuff does not fall off. Today’s video tutorials walks you through the KERDI-BOARD installation step-by-step. The Tile-Redi seems a little easier as it is all molded out of one piece of plastic, drain and all. Both methods have ways to do this, so you need to decide on the method you intend to use. My bathroom is 8' x 12' with 2 x 6 joist running the 8' way every 16" with 3/4" plywood on top. A mud bed isn't technically difficult. © 2020 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. x 60in. Question is will a 3/16" gap work for the walls and just space the rest of the difference in the corners? This site has all the info you need. Sorry Joe, I posted the other thread before I seen you combined them. So it’s a must for the new system to be 100% waterproof. Or the washing machine (on the other side of the other wall) will shake stuff in the bathroom, but not bad at all. You would use Kerdi-fix to bond the Kerdi to it, though. The height of the drain grate is adjustable for any thickness tile. A.Sean Gerolimatos, technical services manager for Schluter Systems, responds: With a few exceptions, unmodified thinset mortar is required for setting ceramic and stone tile over Kerdi membranes (800/472-4588, www.schluter.com ), as well as for bonding overlapped seams and connections to Kerdi drains. You weren't looking very hard. So the materials are a little more but it’s a … The walls don't shake. How long do I need to wait after installing the tile before I can grout? I am as green as you can get when it comes to tile. I am replacing a corner shower that has leaked. This means that any water that passes through the grout or tile never enters the mortar base as with a traditional PVC pan liner and clamping drain. In this episode of Shop Class, learn how to measure, cut, and build window casing made of cellular PVC, solid wood, poly-ash boards, or any common molding material. x 60in.. Buy online and ship or pickup in store. You don't need to buy anything special for sealing grout. Size: 38 in. And I did not want to take the tile all the way to the edge of the wall. So my options are Tile-Redi pan or the Schluter-Kerdi shower system. I’m just looking to do the best job I can, as easily as I can, with the … I did build one big shower in the last custom home I built and the customers had already purchased a presloped pan made of plastic and I wasn't too impressed....it was kind of counter-intuitive, to me anyway, to use a flexible material for the pan, which, because of the large footprint of the shower, required extending the slope to meet the walls. D Shampoo - Soap Standard Double Niche: Kerdi-Board-SN 12 in. You got your 2" overlaps everywhere? One of the bids from an out of town tiler, who works on high ends houses, recommended cement board instead of dry wall? Hopefully just a couple more questions. Shop Floor & Decor for Schluter Kerdi-Shower Off Center Tray 38in. Tile Redi: Schluter Systems: wedi: Tile Redi: Name: Redi Niche 16 in. Yes Dana you are correct. No, Kerdi is a good enough vapor barrier for a residential steam shower. Chip brush, paint brush, foam brush, cotton terry towel, whatever you already have as long as it's clean & compatible with the sealer. Plus, get tips for a clean and solid installation. Sheet-applied polyethylene waterproofing membrane and vapor retarder Kerdi is nice, and it's not hard at all, it goes pretty fast, just use unmodified thinset, and follow instructions. 1) What Tile-Redi says in their written instructions is to install backerboard and waterproof the walls in accordance national standards. I have a knee wall that will be the same width as the kerdi. But it can be tiring. My client ordered a Redi Tile shower pan which requires using epoxy thinset. The shower will hopefully be 60" x apx 42" with a bench. Ceramic Tile Advice Forums - John Bridge Ceramic Tile. Shower Niche: 16 in. Or is the 4x4 within a foundation and is only supporting the ends of your 8' long 2x6 joists? Which is the correct way? Mud slope but cement board on the walls. How can I hide this edge if I am going to use it inside my niche? - M.K. chip brush (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100626098/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053). I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." This is in regards to the … I think the Kerdi membrane is sturdier than the covering on the Wedi panel, but if it is intact before you tile it, both are fine. Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features. This one is a bit different than every brand mentioned previously. x 22 in. Schluter ®-KERDI is a pliable sheet-applied waterproofing membrane and vapor-retarder designed for the direct application of tile.KERDI is ideal for use in tiled showers, bathtub surrounds, residential steam showers, and other tile applications in wet areas. Can you tape and float over the kerdi up to the edge of the tile? After a few hours it was back to normal color. "I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. How do you attach it to the sheetrock before you put Kerdi over it? This is what I got done before running out of Kerdi (due to making shower bigger and adding a bench). Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task! Kerdi really offers very little advantage over hardiboard plus membrane. Featuring the evolution of glass windows, secrets of slate roofing, making sense of minisplits, beyond the basics of fireblocking; and much more. Schulter Kerdi Vs. Redi Tile. Choose from single curb, double curb, triple curb, or barrier free entrance. Consider buying the kerdi book. My shower is a little larger than yours, 5' by 8'. In normal residential use I wouldn't worry about it. Anybody have any thoughts? The Tile-Redi seems a little easier as it is all molded out of one piece of plastic, drain and all. But as usual I have another question. Schluter®-KERDI-BOARD-SN is a prefabricated shower niche made of KERDI-BOARD that can be installed in both KERDI and KERDI-BOARD wall assemblies. Eliminates water damage which can lead to mold and mildew. I wanted to avoid setting a very thin hex mosaic tile … It looks like a great system. I don't think it's a good idea to use drywall mud over Kerdi. Fine Homebuilding – Dec 2020/Jan 2021, Issue #296, The Blower Door: Why Isn't It Called the Sucker Door? Wedi panels need to be sealed properly along with the screws. So, before I get too carried away, I'm not familiar with the drain unit you're thinking of using....it may be fine. 2 coats would be my maximum unless you have super thirsty grout. When I picked it up I found out that it was really 11 3/4". There is no flex. Seams tight? The connection detail is important as you recognized. Do you have an exterior wall being supported by this same 4x4 beam? Then the 2x6's toe nail into the top 4x6. Keep in mind that the Tile-Redi pan needs epoxy to set the tiles. After taking the first shower I noticed some places in the grout that was darker. You would use Kerdi-fix to bond the Kerdi to it, though. WIth Wedi, you need to cut a new rabbit joint to seat the panel in. On the exterior wall there are two 4x6's (sorry not 4x4's) on top of each other and is being supported every 6'. ... View Details Tile Redi Single R Trench Shower Pan. Kerdi is a pliable sheet-applied polyethylene waterproofing membrane and vapor retarder for use with tile. Let me know if I have done something wrong please. Choose from single curb, double curb, triple curb, or Do I need to silicone the corners then grout or grout then silicon? I am wanting to put in a corner bench and was wondering if anyone has used the Kerdi Bench? When you step on the shower bed you get a very firm feeling of support. My bullnose does not have the pattern all the way around the edge. If you use a better brush, just clean it when your done. After nine months of use I am happy to say that the shower bed is working great. Now I just dont know what to do, I had read all the John Bridge stuff regarding Kerdi and it seemed great. Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine. Tile Redi shower pan update After two attempts I used MAPEI Ultracontact - 100# instead of the mortar bed. I used the Kerdi membrane, which is a topical waterproofing, on top of a mortar base. Nice and flat? The other supports the bedroom. Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death.ContractorTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. My shower is 48" x 36" so I ordered 12" x 12" tile. When I take up the floor I can add another 4x4 just under the shower portion. Finally got a free weekend to start my shower project. Shower Niche with Adjustable Shelf: Redi Niche 32 in. Solid underfoot, no flexing, and no issues where the pan meets the walls. Quad Shower Niche Set in Black: Price $ 02/2013 - A shower niche is an ideal spot to keep shampoos and soaps in a tiled shower. Schluter Systems KST965/1525 Kerdi Center Outlet Shower Tray 38"x60" The connection detail is important as you recognized. Tile Redi shower pans come in many standard models with a variety of sizes, drain locations, and drain grate/plate options. Compare bcMewiaaipHRaaaadeOU61RPh9. Thanks Dana you have been a big help. :). So I have a few questions about both. Both methods have ways to do this, so you need to decide on the method you intend to use. I was reading Johns post and (please correct me if I'm wrong) he said to use sheetrock since its cheaper and will be covered with Kerdi anyway. Waterproof sheet membrane such as Schluter Kerdi is applied to the cement board with thinset adhesive. All the showers I have built have been custom and, for the most part, irregular in shape. We like that Tile Redi has an integrated curb and comes in the exact size we need (32x48), whereas Kerdi we'd have to cut to size. It simply hits the Kerdi membrane and then travels through the thinset and into the drain. Nowhere else will you find a one-piece, tileable shower pan with an integrated linear trench drain and choice of either tileable linear grate or designer linear grate tops. You can use any grout joint width that suits your eye, Robert. Been researching both Tile Redi and Schluter Kerdi and both seem like good options, but can't decide which one to go with. Is this normal or do I need to add a second coat of sealent? Now I just dont know what to do, I had read all the John Bridge stuff regarding Kerdi and it seemed great. 2) No. Kerdi can also be installed directly over standard drywall in a shower because, when installed correctly, it creates a continuous waterproof barrier. View Full Version : Tile-Redi or Schluter-Kerdi? There is still a chance that your grout can separate from your tile, creating a tiny leak that can cause huge problems. I mixed the mortar to a milkshake consistency by adding more water, I used two trowels to embed the Kerdi … Tile and grout should NEVER be relied upon to waterproof a shower installation. If this area is outside the shower, cut the Kerdi at the edge of the tile and finish as you suggest. Will I need to add another 3/4" piece of plywood over the shower (3' x 4'). Redi Poxy™ is a chemical resistant, epoxy adhesive used to set tile on Tile Redi ® brand shower pans and benches. Backerboard plus a waterproofing membrane like Redgard is all that is needed for tub surrounds with thinset then tile. All models offer the top-quality features you expect from Tile Redi shower pans. Kerdi-Line Style – much like the perforated grate, with a brushed stainless steel surface, except with your choice between 3 decorative patterns: Floral, Curve, and Pure; ... Tile-Redi. Mike Holmes talks about Schluter®-KERDI-BOARD--the multi-functional tile substrate and building panel. And Other Tough Questions, Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20, Simple Way to Make Old Walls Straight and Plumb, Expert insights on techniques and principles. Original review: Aug. 12, 2020. Whether or not you need a Kerdi membrane is a factor of use. Start your subscription today and save up to 52%. You got it Dana and its a one story built in the 30's or 40's. On the interior wall is the same. In less than 12 minutes you’ll see why we it’s a better option than cement board Here's the old thread. :) This download from the Salerno page on Dal's website has the info you need. After the thinset has dried, tile is applied to the sheet membrane with thinset. Prefabricated Shower Niche Improves Tile Installation Plattsburgh, NY. Redi Poxy is a chemical resistant, epoxy adhesive used to set tile on Tile Ready brand shower pans and benches.  Kerdi too. Do I need to silicone the corners then grout or grout then silicon? I am going with Daltile Salerno in 12 x 12 for the walls. I’m referring to Kerdi sheet membrane and not Kerdi-board. Schluter Kerdi-Shower Center Tray 38in. So I really prefer a traditional sloped mud bed. But if you jump up and down stuff on the floor vibrates a little. You drop in place and tile on it using their mastic which they send with all their pans. But building a fully waterproof, properly sealed tiled shower niche can be a detailed and time consuming task. vBulletin® v3.7.4, Copyright ©2000-2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. So, lets see if I've got it all. The height of the drain grate is adjustable for any thickness tile. As far as charging additional, I’ll leave that up to you guys but Wedi will save labor vs Kerdi and backerboard. Others say not to get the sealer on the tile. Watch the you tube videos, it's easier than the other options. Where it gets iffy is when your framing isn't plumb/or square, you wind up with issues, but the same is true with other systems. I will be installing a new basement shower over concrete, without access to the pre-existing drain (I can always hammer up if absolutely necessary). I have been looking on-line to see what the actual size of the tiles are with no luck? The 4x4's are holding up the 8' 2x6's, and the 4x4's are supported every 6'. Builder recommends the Kerdi shower system applied over the dry wall and that's what the local tile people use too. Redi Poxy is included with the purchase of all Tile Ready shower pans and benches, and is also available for sale separately if you want extra. As a DIY'er who bought the tile ready pan then went to the kerdi I would highly recommend the kerdi. You drop in place and tile on it using their mastic which they send with all their pans. With an 8' unsupported span, you'll be fine. ;). That could be Kerdi or a roll-on waterproofer. Kerdi over a mud bed would be far superior to a Tile Redi pan. I did use the kerdi tray on mine and my 2 pieces of advice on the tray is; I have made up my mind to dump the tile redi pan and go with a Schluter-Kerdi system. Thanks Wendy I liked all over daltile website and didn't see it. Keep in mind that the Tile-Redi pan needs epoxy to set the tiles. :). I’m just looking to do the best job I can, as easily as I can, with the best system. 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